What Are Forex Market Makers And How Do They Work?
What Are Forex Market Makers And How Do They Work?
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As a trader,here are some points you should know before even thinking about trading Market is not your friend. Someone has to lose money on the other side for you to make it.Because of this very reason , everyone on the other side automatically becomes your enemy Market is manipulated by big players for liquidity,profit and other reasons . Market consists of big time players like central banks ,Big banks , Hedge funds , brokers , HFTs , algo traders , experienced traders , novice traders and the list goes on and on…. How market cheats the people ---- Before anything, its very important that you know the market hierarchy,which will help you in knowing where and how you are being exploited On the top you have central banks Then you have major banks who are also market makers like citi,barclays,hsbc,U B S…. Then you have the retail brokers and the Hedge funds Then under the brokers there comes average traders And Now, I am going to explain how average traders are being systematically exploited by the bigger players. For one person to exploit other ,it's really important that one has an edge over the other. So what's the edge that the Brokers,hedge funds ,Banks and central banks have over you That's the information about you,like The order size you have opened Whether you are a retail trader or any other type of trader Your limit Your stop loss Your pending orders And even your account size Your trading style(whether you are a long term,short term,leveraged trader and so on …) And you might think that these are the things only known to your broker and nobody else knows it. You are mistaken Your broker sells this live data for a tidy sum to hedge funds , high frequency traders ,market makers and they in turn systematically skim the money off your account even without your knowledge. So next time, don't be surprised if you open an order and from there the market goes in the opposite direction and never comes back. You shouldn't be surprised if your limit orders never hits and stop loss orders always hits Also you shouldn't be surprised if the market makes a move so as to wipe out your account and then comes back to the same place where it was And the list goes on and on and on….. You can never win over an enemy if he knows your next move So how to turn the odds in your favour and you really start making some money Its simple….. The first and foremost thing is to never reveal your data to this vultures. The moment you start doing this ,you cut off the edge that they have over you.They are now confused about you .they never know what your next move can be So how to do that???? You can do it by automating your trading strategies Employing your robots to execute trades So only your robot knows your plan and even your broker is unaware of this. And the Good news is that that if you know your enemy ,then then you can beat the market. http://tradingoutofthebox.com
As a trader,here are some points you should know before even thinking about trading Market is not your friend. Someone has to lose money on the other side for you to make it.Because of this very reason , everyone on the other side automatically becomes your enemy Market is manipulated by big players for liquidity,profit and other reasons . Market consists of big time players like central banks ,Big banks , Hedge funds , brokers , HFTs , algo traders , experienced traders , novice traders and the list goes on and on…. How market cheats the people Before anything, its very important that you know the market hierarchy,which will help you in knowing where and how you are being exploited On the top you have central banks Then you have major banks who are also market makers like citi,barclays,hsbc,U B S…. Then you have the retail brokers and the Hedge funds Then under the brokers there comes average traders And Now, I am going to explain how average traders are being systematically exploited by the bigger players. For one person to exploit other ,it's really important that one has an edge over the other. So what's the edge that the Brokers,hedge funds ,Banks and central banks have over you That's the information about you,like The order size you have opened Whether you are a retail trader or any other type of trader Your limit Your stop loss Your pending orders And even your account size Your trading style(whether you are a long term,short term,leveraged trader and so on …) And you might think that these are the things only known to your broker and nobody else knows it. You are mistaken Your broker sells this live data for a tidy sum to hedge funds , high frequency traders ,market makers and they in turn systematically skim the money off your account even without your knowledge. So next time, don't be surprised if you open an order and from there the market goes in the opposite direction and never comes back. You shouldn't be surprised if your limit orders never hits and stop loss orders always hits Also you shouldn't be surprised if the market makes a move so as to wipe out your account and then comes back to the same place where it was And the list goes on and on and on…..You can never win over an enemy if he knows your next move So how to turn the odds in your favour and you really start making some money Its simple….. The first and foremost thing is to never reveal your data to this vultures. The moment you start doing this ,you cut off the edge that they have over you.They are now confused about you .they never know what your next move can be So how to do that???? You can do it by automating your trading strategies Employing your robots to execute trades So only your robot knows your plan and even your broker is unaware of this. And the Good news is that that if you know your enemy ,then then you can beat the market. Check out my other videos to know more such tips and money management techniques Hope this video helps Visit my website at http://tradingoutofthebox.com
u/OK-Face made a post with some questions about limits and stop orders. I started to write up a big comment but then figured I’d just create an “Orders 101” post in case other newbies might find it useful. If you don’t like massive walls of text, now is the time to leave! The very basics First you need to know a little about forex market makers. A market maker publishes two prices: the bid price (lower) and the ask price (higher). The market maker will sell you units of a currency pair at the higher ask price, and will buy units of a currency pair back from you at the lower bid price. They make money by buying units at the bid from one user and selling those units at the ask to another user, pocketing the difference. The difference between the bid and the ask is called the spread. A narrow spread is good for users. If you buy at the ask (or sell at the bid) you only need the bid (ask) to move upwards (downwards) a little bit before you can sell (buy) back to the market maker to close the position for a profit. The spread will vary over time; the market maker wants to keep it narrow to compete for customers but wide enough to ensure they make money even when the market moves unexpectedly. When the market is stable the spread will be narrow; when the market is volatile the spread will be wide. When someone refers to the price of a currency pair you can usually infer which price (the bid or the ask) they are referring to from the context. If they’re talking about going long (buying) then they are probably referencing the ask. If they are talking about going short (selling) then they are probably referencing the bid. Broker software usually allows you to plot both at the same time, which visualizes not only the prices by the spread (and thus the market maker’s measure of volatility). The “market price” or “mark” is the midpoint between the bid and ask. It’s sometimes used when charting prices, since it smoothes out changes in the spread. The details of where the bid and ask prices come from, how they differ between market makers and from inter-bank rates, and how they are related to but very different from bid/ask spreads on exchange-traded instruments like stocks are all well beyond the scope of this post. (But you should learn it eventually!) Opening and closing a position First, burn it into your brain that a long position is opened by buying from the market maker at the ask and closed by selling back to the market maker at the bid, while a short position is opened by selling to the market maker at the bid and closed by buying back from the market maker at the ask. (Really a short position is a loan from the market maker that you can satisfy with units of currency pairs bought back from them at a later time. But whatever.) When you open a new position you use one of two types of orders: a market order or a limit order. A market order tells the market maker to fill your order as soon as your order gets to the front of the queue, no matter what the price is. If it’s a market buy to go long on a pair then the order will be filled at the ask price. If it’s a market sell to go short on a pair then the order will be filled at the bid price. The time it takes your order to get to the front of the queue is usually less than a second, but the price could change pretty dramatically in that second. A market order says “I don’t care what happens to the price between now and then, just fill my order as quickly as possible.” A limit order goes through the order queue too, but when it reaches the front it tells the market maker to wait to fill your order until an acceptable (to you) price is available. If it’s a limit buy to go long on a pair then you specify the maximum ask price you are willing to pay. If it’s a limit sell to go short on a pair then you specify the minimum bid price you are willing to accept. If the price is already acceptable then the order is filled immediately just like a market order, otherwise it waits until it’s filled or canceled. When you close a position you can also choose a market order or a limit order. If you have a long position then you can either submit a market sell order or a limit sell order to sell back your units at the bid. If you have a short position then you can either submit a market buy order or a limit buy order to buy back the units you shorted at the ask. These orders work just like orders to open a position, but instead of creating a new position they cancel out your existing position. (Hopefully leaving you with a profit.) It is possible to submit offsetting orders that don’t actually cancel out one another! For example, a market maker may allow you to submit a market buy order to go long one lot of EUUSD and then separately submit a market sell order to go short one lot of EUUSD, and track those two positions separately rather than cancel them out. For this reason an order used to close out a position is sometimes clarified as “to close”, as in “market sell to close”. Most users will close positions by right-clicking the position in their broker’s GUI and click “close” (or something similar); this will automatically submit a market order (buy or sell) to close. Submitting a limit order to close may take more clicks. Conditional orders to close When you create an order you can attach conditional orders to close that are only submitted if the bid or ask price moves past a trigger price. You specify the trigger price and the type of order to be submitted when the trigger hits: market or limit. There are four possible combinations, but only three are commonly used. A conditional market order to close a losing position is called a stop-loss order. A conditional limit order to close a losing position is called a stop-limit order. A conditional market order to close a winning position doesn’t have a name and isn’t commonly used. A conditional limit order to close a winning position is called a take-profit order. Generally the trigger price is compared to the price (bid or ask) that will be used to close the position. For example, a long position is closed by selling at the bid, so the trigger price for a stop-loss on a long position will be compared to the bid. Some market makers will allow you to get fancy and decide which price your trigger is compared to, which may be useful if, for example, your strategy is entirely based on the ask price but you want to use a conditional order to close a long position without worrying about the spread. Let’s look at the three common conditional orders to close, from simplest to confusing. Stop-loss orders A stop-loss order is a conditional market order to close a losing position. The trigger price is set on the losing side of the position. When the bid/ask price passes the trigger price, a new market order is created to close the position. Like any market order, it is filled at whatever the bid/ask price is when the order makes it to the front of the queue. For a long position the trigger price is less than the original ask price at which the currency pair was bought. A long position is closed by selling at the bid, so the trigger price is usually compared to the bid. When the bid price falls down to the trigger price a new market sell (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it’s filled at the current bid, offsetting the position. For a short position the trigger price is greater than the original bid price at which the currency pair was sold short. A short position is closed by buying at the ask, so the trigger price is usually compared to the ask. When the ask price rises up to the trigger price a new market buy (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it’s filled at the current ask, offsetting the position. Stop-loss orders are used as a last resort: “If my losses get too big close the position as fast as possible, even if that means closing at a less advantageous price.” It’s not uncommon for the bid/ask price to shoot past the trigger price so quickly that the price at which the position closes is quite a bit worse than the trigger price. On the other hand, it’s also not uncommon for the price to just barely touch the trigger price (triggering the placement of the market order to close) and bounce back, so that the price at which the position closes is better than the target price. (This latter scenario can sometimes make people wonder why the position was closed, since it may appear that the price never reached the trigger.) Take-profit orders A take-profit order is a conditional limit order to close a winning position. The trigger price is set on the winning side of the position. When the bid/ask price passes the trigger price, a new limit order is created to close the position. Like any limit order, it is only filled when the bid/ask price is better for the customer than the specified limit price. The limit price for a take-profit order is usually the same as the trigger price. (Some market makers may allow it to be different.) For a long position the trigger (and limit) price is greater than the original ask price at which the currency pair was bought. A long position is closed by selling at the bid, so the trigger price is usually compared to the bid. When the bid price rises up to the trigger price a new limit buy (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it waits until the current bid is at least equal to the limit price, then it fills and offsets the position. For a short position the trigger (and limit) price is less than the original bid price at which the currency pair was sold short. A short position is closed by buying at the ask, so the trigger price is usually compared to the ask. When the ask price falls down to the trigger price a new limit sell (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it waits until the current ask is at most equal to the limit price, then it fills and offsets the position. Since the limit price is usually set equal to the trigger price, and since the bid/ask price doesn’t usually reverse within the short time while the new order (to close) moves through the queue, a take-profit order usually closes almost immediately after being triggered, at a price at or very slightly above the triggelimit price. However it is possible that the bid/ask price just touched the trigger price and immediately reverses, leaving the limit order (to close) pending on the queue until the price moves favorably again. Stop-limit orders Finally we come to the confusing one. A stop-limit order is a conditional limit order to close a losing position. The trigger price is set on the losing side of the position. When the bid/ask price passes the trigger price, a new limit order is created to close the position. Like any limit order, it is only filled when the bid/ask price is better for the customer than the specified limit price. Unlike a take-profit order, the limit price for a stop-limit order is usually not the same as the trigger price. For a long position the trigger (and limit) price is less than the original ask price at which the currency pair was bought. A long position is closed by selling at the bid, so the trigger price is usually compared to the bid. When the bid price falls down to the trigger price a new limit sell (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it waits until the current bid is at least equal to the limit price, then it fills and offsets the position. For a short position the trigger (and limit) price is greater than the original bid price at which the currency pair was sold short. A short position is closed by buying at the ask, so the trigger price is usually compared to the ask. When the ask price rises up to the trigger price a new limit buy (to close) order is submitted. When it reaches the front of the queue it waits until the current ask is at most equal to the limit price, then it fills and offsets the position. On first blush this appears to be the opposite of a take-profit order, but it behaves quite differently. Take a long position for example, and consider what happens when the bid price moves quickly down past the trigger and continues to fall. The limit sell order (to close) is submitted but suppose the limit is set close to the trigger price. Since the bid is still falling it’s on the wrong side of the limit price (for the customer) so the limit order won’t fill. A stop-limit order says “If I’m losing money and the price moves to X, try to close my position, but don’t accept anything too much worse than X.” Because a rapid price movement may pass both the trigger and the limit, the limit needs to be set carefully to give a little “breathing room” for the limit in case of rapid price movement. Stop-limit orders require careful calculation of triggers and limits to fix risk, or you can end up closing a position early, too late, or not at all! Final thoughts I hope you learned something! At the very least, I hope some newbies see that setting stop-losses, stop-limits, and take-profits involves a lot more math and understanding of the mechanics of the market than thinking “this looks like a good place to limit my losses” and clicking the mouse. Corrections are highly appreciated! I intentionally glossed over a ton of details but if in doing so I omitted something important please let me know!
https://preview.redd.it/u1jwr3pjndi31.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=e51f144990f475c4435e249f10f5582eab3765c1 The needs of Market Making Strategies According to a research in Nebraska, Over the past few years, the rapid growth and success of automated techniques for e-commerce have resulted in their wide adoption in various domains beyond traditional B2B and B2C commodity markets. As the role of the market-makers grows, the need for better understanding of the impact of the market-makers in the market increases as well. Finally, the reinforcement learning strategy fulfills its tasks of both controlling the spread and maximizing utility. History of market making The automation of a market-makers’s functions was suggested more than three decades ago. Previously, several theoretical approaches, albeit with certainsimplifying assumptions, have been proposed to understand the effects of market makers on financial markets. Designing a strategy based on :
Basic arbitrage strategies: singe trading pair on two exchanges
Multiple exchange strategy: increase likelihood of identifying arbitrage opportunities by monitoring multiple exchanges (more than two)
Multiple trading pair strategies / triangular arbitrage: a common strategyin foreign exchange markets, using more than a single trading pair for capturingarbitrage. Increased complexity and additional trading pairs increase the likelihoodof the occurrence of a pricing dislocation.
Cross-Exchange Market Making: Cross-exchange market making combines elements from both arbitrage trading and basicmarket making in order to profit from differences in liquidity between trading pairs fromtwo (or more) different exchanges. In cross-exchange market making, a market maker trades on or two different exchanges and uses the best available bid and asks.
Re balancing :When employing a cross-exchange market making strategy, it is increasingly likely withthe passage of time that an imbalance in the direction of trading flows will accumulate.
Conclusion This is the first step in performing a comparison of multiple market-maker strategies. In the future, we wish to explore different extensions of this work. First of all, we would like to propose and perform comparisons of other market-maker strategies such as using a minimax regret algorithm for price adjustments by the market-maker. Secondly, we would like to study the performance of the market makers with a more complex behavior, such as dynamically switching strategies based on past performance. This way, a better balance of maintaining marketquality and maximizing market-maker utilities may be obtained. And lastly, we would like to add various behavioral attributes to the market-maker model such as different risk attributes and making untruthful price revelations through bluffing for improving profits. http://blog.quantvan.com/?p=720
For those of you who pine for the government's approval for you to transact with other adults, here's an example of why regulated markets are shit: https://www.nfa.futures.org/rulebook/rules.aspx?RuleID=SECTION%2011&Section=7 That is the link provided by Interactive Brokers to explain why they are asking if you are someone who, as apparently defined under federal law, "regularly enters into, makes a market in or holds itself out as a dealer in forex or retail commodity transactions." The link goes to the website for a government agency I have never heard of, created by Congress in 1974, or 36 years B.P.D. (Before Pizza Day). This agency I've never heard of requires that forex market makers maintain a minimum of $20 million in reserve capital and follow all sorts of intricate rules I don't even have the energy to scan at this moment. Now, look, I get that a lot of capital sloshes around in financial markets. But if you want to talk about barriers to entry, $20 mil is pretty damn steep. Not to mention the lawyers, lobbyists, and flacks you have to pay to survive all the rules that are keeping you so safe. "Startup" is essentially a laughable concept in this context. High barriers to entry protect established companies from competition, increasing costs and stifling innovation. If you ask me, I will gladly take -- in a brand, spanking new, rapidly innovating industry -- the occasional ETH/USD flash crash, DAO hack, or Bitfinexed's "There's a Nightmare In My Closet" blog posts any day over a $20 million ante to sit down at the table. It should definitely be illegal for Kraken to have a trading engine that shitty, though.
Banks speculating with their capital In the markets
So banks are under Frank dodd which means they can't trade stocks with their capital . Seeing that they're the forex market makers are they allowed to speculate in the forex market or Frank dodd includes the forex market as well ?
Hey everyone. A while back I made the decision to moderate this subreddit because I was once in your shoes. I honestly did not know where to begin. I would type in “daytrading” in google and come up with so many companies trying to sell me the dream. “Make $$$ while you sleep!” “Look at how much I made today!!” etc. I wanted to make this post to first give new people a place where to start and to even offer some resources that can get you started in the right direction. If I have anything else to add I will add it here.
Open up a papertrading account with Think or Swim. It is free and you can get live data just by requesting it from support. All you have to do is ask them to add live data to your papertrading account. Do not pay monthly for any papertrading account. There are a lot of free videos out there that can help you get started with Think or Swim. The program looks complicated at first but it is very powerful. I spent a few days with the program and at the end of the week I was fairly comfortable with understanding where everything was. I have never had a 60-day limit with my papertrading account by the way. https://www.thinkorswim.com/t/pm-registration.html Start here and start taking trades! It is all fake money and will give you some insight into how the program works as well as how the markets move.
One other tip for setting up your papertrading account is to only set it up with a reasonable amount of money. I know a lot of papertrading accounts give you 100k right off the bat but realistically, how many of us are going to have that much money to start out with? Set it to something more reasonable like 10-20k if you are trading forex (or even less if all you have is 1-5k to trade with) or 25k+ if you are going to daytrade stocks only because the regulations require you to have at least 25k in your account at all times to daytrade (In this case, I would probably give yourself 30k just to be safe). If you are looking for a stock screener, ThinkorSwim has a pretty good one. A personal favorite of mine is www.FINVIZ.com which has an awesome screener for finding different chart patterns and conditions (such as prices crossing above 20 bar EMA, trending up, etc) Think or Swim has stocks, forex, futures, and options. Options are an entirely different beast all together but stocks, forex, and futures are all "yes-no" type of trading while options give you a little more leeway with your mistakes. If you are interested in learning about options, message me and I can help guide you with the right direction and best resources I used to learn options. EDIT: Due to the amount of PM's I was getting, I have decided to post the options course I started with here https://www.udemy.com/learn-options-trading-courses/ You shouldn't pay more than 10 bucks for it as Udemy does a ton of sales throughout the year. You can also just do a "Udemy coupon" search on google and see what you pull up. Its about 10 hours worth of content and in my opinion it is worth every penny if you are wanting to learn more about options. There are a ton of other great classes on Udemy as well for learning just about anything. Just make sure to read the reviews! Stocks is kind of the well known market for new comers but I would argue that Forex can also just as easily be traded by a newcomer. Also the benefit of trading Forex is that there is no commission off the bat. Most brokers will charge what is called a spread of some number of pips that you are essentially paying back. Futures trade in ticks and each tick nets you a gain of some amount or a loss of some amount so I do not suggest any new person to jump into futures until you understand the way markets work. Futures charge commission on each contract you buy or sell. It can be sort of related to Forex since a tick and a pip are essentially the same. The huge benefit to trading Futures and Forex is that there is NO pattern day trading rule. This means you can buy and sell as many times as you want without being flagged for not having 25k in your account.
Tradimo is a great resource for getting your feet wet with technical analysis. It is free and shows you the ropes with how you can start looking at prices and charts: https://learn.tradimo.com/courses
If there is ever a company you want to pay to help you learn, please do your research first. Type in the company’s name along with “review” at the end of your search and make your educated decision off of that. A lot of these companies have amazing advertising but will never teach you the right way to trade. A lot of them are scams too. I read that there was one trading system which the guy had the secrets of the “code of trading” and only he knew the code but would sell it to you for hundreds of dollars. So many people come into trading with high expectations that if I just pay this company to teach me, I can be like them when in reality that may never happen. Always look at their testimonials with a grain of salt. Read the reviews just like you would on amazon for buying a product. I also like to type in the company's name and add "scam" at the end to see if I get any hits on that. Read the good reviews but also the bad to understand the bigger picture here. Very few will actually teach you how to trade. Also, Reddit is a great place to read up on things like this too. Just add "Reddit" at the end of your search and read up on other users reviews.
Investimonials is also a good place to use as well (but do not use it as your only review source!!! Fake reviews are everywhere) http://www.investimonials.com So before you drop that 1-2k on a course, make sure you do your homework. Don't be fooled by smooth advertising.
A high probability indicator or a holy grail strategy is not out there. If it was, everyone would be using it and making money. And if there does happen to be one, do you really think anyone will want to share it? The only way to get good at trading is to be able to read the charts and read where prices are going. This is through support and resistance and understanding channels. I cannot recommend Mack’s price action YouTube channel enough. https://www.youtube.com/usePATsTrading I am a firm believer that price action is the basis for understanding price movement. Reading an indicator may help but you should not rely on solely indicators to guide you with trading as they may give you a signal to buy when you are at a major resistance level or sell when you are at a major support, both of which could burn you.
My only other advice is to look into markets that let you maximize profits. For some, it is not possible to buy 1000 shares of Apple. While trading low priced stocks lets you buy hundreds and maybe even thousands of shares at once, those stocks are too unpredictable because they can be influenced by individuals who do what is called a "pump and dump" schemes. Plus they can be difficult to read as far as what they are going to be doing next (going up or going down). My recommendation (and it is only my recommendation so only use this as guidance to make your own decision) would be to look into trading forex if you do not have a lot to start out with as some brokers (like FXCM) allow you to buy "micro" lots which let you invest as little as 100 dollars in some cases and have a much better chance of working in your favor due to the amount of people trading the same instrument. Note: There are some discussions about forex market makers adjusting the markets so you get stopped out prematurely. While I have not experienced this, it could theoretically happen? So if you do decide to trade Forex make sure you pick your broker carefully and again read the reviews!
EDIT: I have read that what I mentioned above about Forex is outdated and the brokers are under stricter regulations. Do your own investigation and do not let what I said steer you away from trading forex if you really want to. The big Forex brokers you are able to open an account with in the US are FXCM, Oanda, and Forex.com. You have a lot more options if you are in another country. EDIT 2: Well it looks like FXCM may get banned from having clients in the US. Apparently they took some trades against their clients to profit on their end and have been using clients accounts to fund their extra expenses. Tread on your own risk.
Above all, do not invest money that you are not willing to lose. I cannot emphasize this enough. Work on a simulator until you feel that your strategy works. This means putting in the time to sit down and analyze every trade you took which worked as well as the ones that didn't work. You need to go back over your mistakes and review why your trade did not work the way you thought it would. Was it because you bought at a high and sold at a low? Was it because you bought at a major resistance level thinking the stock would still go up? Was it because you were impulsive and entered in too early? Was it because you were too slow and entered in too late? This is the most important part about learning how to trade. Putting in the time and work to analyze what you did right and what you did wrong. You will never get better if you do not do this.
Consider subscribing to a free daily financial newsletter such as The Morning Brew. It’s a free subscription that is delivered Monday through Friday to your email before the markets open around 5-6 am central time. It summarizes the big financial topics of the morning in short easy to read sections that you can read over a cup of brew.
I wouldn’t say this is essential for daytrading but it’s nice to read if you are wanting to stay up to date on the financial markets as they will write about companies and stocks to look out for. It’s also not spammy or filled with ads though there are one or two that are listed as “sponsored”. They don’t typically put out a weekend read but instead send it M-F. https://www.morningbrew.com/?kid=08944ba0 I want to make this subreddit not only as a resource for newcomers but also for those who wish to improve their skills with learning how to day trade. I do not want this subreddit to become spam and companies trying to sell dreams. We all need to keep a realistic vision on what learning the market entails because this is a journey. No one becomes a doctor in a day or even a week and you should expect the same becoming a trader. Making consistent money in the markets can be very challenging and most wont ever make it, but it can be very satisfying once things start to click and you can live a very different life if this ever happens.
Hey Daytrading, I'm a 19 year old uni student, currently studying quite a bit of mathematics and weirdly enough majoring in Physiology, and was introduced to trading at 15, I used to "trade" with my dad back then, however he was trading with a market maker at the time and he copped a net $30000 loss. I have had a successful history paper trading since , and 3 months ago decided to tackle trading with real money, and have more than tripled my accounts earnings. I have also attached proof of my first and final trade, and a brief account summary. So about 8 months ago, I posted a question on this subreddit, asking whether "scalping indices was as easy as it seems?", at the time I was trading on a $50,000 demo account and was making consistent profits of at least 10% on the days I would trade, however I was quite skeptical of the large returns, and questioned this rapid success on this subreddit. Regardless, after this prolonged period of demo trading, I had saved up $5000 to open up a trading account (with an ECN/STP broker btw), to test the waters trading real money, and to see if I could replicate this success in a real trading account. I did. On the first day, I made $900, with no losing positions, this initial success got to my head and I entered a few losing trades the following days of that week, however in the end resulted positive. Long story short in the span of 3 months my $5000 account grew to now almost $27000 (also notable, I did deposit an extra $4000 at one point to maintain a decent margin level after a big losing trade), and more than 80% of the positions i have opened have been in the green, with consistent profits weekly. As indicated by my post 8 months ago, I mainly scalp index CFD's, however trading with real money, I have found myself keeping positions a bit longer than what a scalper would. I have stayed away from Forex, and have attempted to trade Amazon and Tesla. I'm probably going to continue trading and hopefully continue my account growth. I am planning to day trade with a 30k account and withdrawing profits weekly. I am 19 and a career trading is looking more like an option for me. I'm really trying to get a job or internship at a trading firm, because I believe that would be an invaluable experience, and could possibly kickstart a career for me in trading. Anyways, I hope i didn't come off as arrogant or boastful, I just wanted to share my personal experience trading. TL;DR: Started with a $5000 trading account, which I grew to $26000 in 3 months, by mainly day trading index CFD's and a little bit of stock CFD's. Attached proof. https://preview.redd.it/6tss47h77ql51.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b159f9997cfb806942a6e3bdc7b076209fa183f https://preview.redd.it/jny8byga8ql51.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=b4b1c51a598d472e2ea76f7077ba89c53e3f947a EDIT: I haven’t been trading stocks guys, i thought i made it clear that my my main strategy was scalping indices, my post 8 months ago on this subreddit was literally asking why i found “scalping indices so easy”, so the argument that I’ve just gotten lucky these past 3 months is redundant, 8 months ago the market was completely different to what it is now, regardless I havent even been trading stocks (less than 5% of my profits are from stocks) Also, yeh i dont use stop losses, come at me 🤣
Why is Forex so hard to trade with standard strategies?
Hi, I ran backtests for these markets:
Forex, EURUSD and USDCAD
Metals - Gold, silver
Crypto - BTCUSD, ETHUSD
It almost poked into my eye that forex seems to change its behaviour randomly sometimes and became unsuitable for standard strategies - e.g. MA crossover, Keltner, BB after idk maybe mid 2019? It has the tighest spreads & smallest commissions,swaps etc. but is not very consistent anymore, e.g. with crypto or SP500 I strategies work well in backtest and make a small profit in forward test but for forex, e.g. EURUSD you are in for major drawdowns and low winrates? Where is all this losses money going, to ML? Are market makers just randomly pushing prices to collect commissions?
Just some inspirations / reminders on strategy development
I just talk about really major pairs like EURUSD, USDJPY, etc. Forget about catching a trend, if you wanna trade trends, commodities, stocks, index funds trend way better, a lot more opportunities than forex. Major currencies range at least 70% of the time, if not more. Learn how to make money from ranging markets and hold a trend once you catch it. The biggest purpose of currency is for settling transactions, not for scalping profits. That's why it doesn't trend (aka remaining stable). Stability is why a currency being "major". Therefore most indicators don't work well with these currencies because first they are not designed for forex, second most of them only tell trends or overbought/oversold. Unless you are Soros or central banks etc no major currency can be overbought or oversold. Take advantage of "fakeout" (I still wonder if it's the right way to call it so, Trump's Tweets are one of the sources IMO). Accept the fact that it happens and think about how to profit from it. Market makers and big banks are also just market players, even though very much bigger, they are also profiting from each other. If you can't beat them, join them. Choppy market is still better than a still market. No market maker cares about support or resistance. Like no insider or institutional money (i mean human not machines) would spend hours and hours on charts drawing trend lines before they place an order. Why would you? Planning how to react in different scenarios after a position is opened is much better than trying to act like a crystal ball by looking at history when you trade something that ranges most of the time. The moment you observe a trend, chances are the trend is (almost) over. Even if things are against you, most of the time you can turn it to break even without using lots of margin. (Most news are just as big as baby's cough.) But still, very few news are really big (911, fukushima, brexit, covid, name it), don't ignore the news completely. Money management is very important. Most traders (of course including many of those on reddit) just talk about how to make an entry but seldom talk about how to manage an already open position or how to close a trade. The latter is way more important than the former. Besides japanese candlesticks, there are a lot more charting options out there. Be creative and know what you are trading to the deepest !
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